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Discussion => Silk Road discussion => Topic started by: mmmmonkey on January 29, 2013, 04:51 am
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So i have brown sand and xtc express's pressed pills and I'm having trouble finding a solid base of people to give product to. I've only been able to hand out to maybe 10 different people in total, maybe 4 or 5 of which who are re-occurring. The first two orders I made moved within a week, but only to about 5 people, and their friends. How do I expand my base? How can I go out and find more people who would want some of this. The area I'm from has very crappy molly, so getting this pure stuff is a breathe of fresh air for everyone. Raves/Events have under covers everywhere, so it's risky to walk up to people and ask them if they want any. I go to university, but also walking up to people asking if they want molly would be awkward.
I'm not sure if I'm doing something wrong.. Yes, giving out within my group of friends is safer, but I want to dip into their groups of friends because I don't know many people who are down to do/try mdma out. Can anyone give some tips? Any advice, new ideas, suggestions, etc.. to help me get the ball rolling a bit more?
I've seen people say "craigslist" but thats a little sketchy for me. Doesn't seem reliable.
Thank you!
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I would recommend to continue doing what you're doing and take it slowly. That is the only way to ensure you can trust the people you deal with.
The more people you meet who start dealing with who you can't trust the quicker you are going to get caught up in some bullshit.
Maybe some of your friends would be interested in helping you sell some to their friends for a cut.
Other than that, just try to make some more friends. Maybe hang out at some more parties just to meet people and then talk to them about your gear after you know them.
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Hang out at your local medical dispensary?
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Socialize more dont give away any free product.
Don't eat up your stash. Charge for a dose, wait til next week friend will be back with another, within a month you will have more than you can supply.
Find 1-2 friends that want to make money, let them become the builders of network you become main head and supply friends it will grow you need to be patient and network with popular friends, if near a college find frat houses, hippies and bar hoppers...these are target markets.
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nomad
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Take it slow, if you have a good product the market will come to you. I know it can be hard to be patient but it'll be worth it in the end 8)
Also, since you said your area has crappy molly, get a test kit and show everyone they are getting methylone (if your market is similar to mine ha) then show that your shit is legit. Customers will flock to you haha good luck and stay safe dude.
Z
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If you're in the states, you shouldn't have any problem at all selling real mdma. Your client base can get as large as you want it to when you're the only dude (or dudette) with real ecstasy around.
You said you've gotten it out to 10 different people, and half come back. 50% is pretty good lol. Either ask those people that you already know to help refer you, or offer a referral incentive if you want (doesn't have to be big).
Just talk to people. The more people you talk to, the more you'll sell. If you don't feel safe talking to people, you could tell them your friend has some and don't keep any on you when you talk to others. Just keep a delicate balance of clients and safety.
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Thanks for your guys' responses. I definitely like the idea of getting the friends I have who do it often to sell for me. I have a couple people in mind at the moment right now actually. Much appreciated and [bump] ;)
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Thanks for your guys' responses. I definitely like the idea of getting the friends I have who do it often to sell for me. I have a couple people in mind at the moment right now actually. Much appreciated and [bump] ;)
You nailed it!!! I started out last year moving about 10 grams a month from SR. Now I move 7oz a month, and I can't order it fast enough. Look at how cheap molly is here..You can get 100 grams for under 20/gram. Sell to a few people in ounces, not grams. I am not greedy and I get my product out for about $1100/oz, or $39/gram..doubling my money, for what? Taking a risk? It's too easy. I sell to my friends (Usually at 1oz or more at a time) who EASILY get $60-70/gram at an ounce level to guys who are slinging grams for at least $80. I love that they are making money, and I love that I am making money without having to actually TRY to sell it. I am not the guy who talks to everyone at the club, but my friends are. They meet people who are cool and get my stuff out there. Be the wholesaler, the guy in the background.
If you don't have friends who are social, just go to the club and make friends. Once you start talking to people who don't seem sketchy, casually drop that you have molly if they need it. Pray they are someone, or know someone, who needs a lot. Again..Don't be greedy. $40/gram in my market is *incredible* for pure MDMA. People are so used to Methylone/bk-mdma/M1/whatever you wanna call it, that they take my stuff and it *floors* them.
tl;dr: Don't be cheap, don't be a dick, be aware of your opportunities. Make money, go to festivals, be happy.
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So i have brown sand and xtc express's pressed pills and I'm having trouble finding a solid base of people to give product to. I've only been able to hand out to maybe 10 different people in total, maybe 4 or 5 of which who are re-occurring. The first two orders I made moved within a week, but only to about 5 people, and their friends. How do I expand my base? How can I go out and find more people who would want some of this. The area I'm from has very crappy molly, so getting this pure stuff is a breathe of fresh air for everyone. Raves/Events have under covers everywhere, so it's risky to walk up to people and ask them if they want any. I go to university, but also walking up to people asking if they want molly would be awkward.
I'm not sure if I'm doing something wrong.. Yes, giving out within my group of friends is safer, but I want to dip into their groups of friends because I don't know many people who are down to do/try mdma out. Can anyone give some tips? Any advice, new ideas, suggestions, etc.. to help me get the ball rolling a bit more?
I've seen people say "craigslist" but thats a little sketchy for me. Doesn't seem reliable.
Thank you!
Then you're selling the wrong drug.
Acquire a drug, that you know people who use - that was you have an established customer base.
So many people go in to dealing thinking "Fuck yeah, I'm going to sell cocaine, I'm going to be the next Tony Montana"
When really, they hardly know anyone who wants cocaine.. But, they do know people who would buy weed daily but since coke has a bigger mark-up, they think it's better to go with that.
Sit down, run numbers and think about everything before you dive into business.
Because drug dealing is a business.
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@Uknown79
You actually give me hope! lol
What you did sounds perfect actually. $60/gram here would be a steal too. I'll sell what I can from whatever I have left and start off small again. Who do you order from, if you don't mind me asking. I like xtc express's pressed but his powder gets odd reviews. How were you selling the 10grams? per gram or each individual cap? I like the way you ran your business.
@Slicksuit
Yeah, I realized that afterwards. But also, I asked around and I do know about 20 or so people who do pop, but they don't do it on a constant basis, which is the only problem when it comes to moving product. Of course, I know a lot more people who smoke weed, almost everyone I know does, but I feel like weed would be riskier. Takes up more space, smells, I don't smoke weed myself so I'm not sure what the prices and what not are. Kinda sucks.
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Find out who sells to everyone that you know that smokes. Buy ounce of weed for $200. Sell it to them for whatever the market price is ($320-380 in my area).
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@Uknown79
You actually give me hope! lol
What you did sounds perfect actually. $60/gram here would be a steal too. I'll sell what I can from whatever I have left and start off small again. Who do you order from, if you don't mind me asking. I like xtc express's pressed but his powder gets odd reviews. How were you selling the 10grams? per gram or each individual cap? I like the way you ran your business.
@Slicksuit
Yeah, I realized that afterwards. But also, I asked around and I do know about 20 or so people who do pop, but they don't do it on a constant basis, which is the only problem when it comes to moving product. Of course, I know a lot more people who smoke weed, almost everyone I know does, but I feel like weed would be riskier. Takes up more space, smells, I don't smoke weed myself so I'm not sure what the prices and what not are. Kinda sucks.
Get some military heat seal foil from a UK vendor called PlutoPete - that stuff doesn't let any smell out of it what so ever.
As soon as you acquire the weed, weight it up, bag it and then stick each gram or whatever in a bit of the heat seal foil and seal it.
People will look at you like " WTF? :o " when you hand it to them, but just tell them it's smell proof sheet to stop dogs and the likes from detecting it - they wont really give a fuck as long as they get their weed.
Not smoking it yourself makes it even better to have around - you wont smoke your profit. I know plenty of people that sell green and end up smoking half of their profit, hell some of them only deal so they can smoke their whole profit - sounds stupid to me, but to each their own.
It's like coke dealers to, I know a couple of people that used to move keys of the stuff, and they would probably snort through 2-3 grams daily for months just because it was always around - it's not good for your health either.
I know where your coming from about not knowing anyone who does Molly often - I personally don't deal small quantities in real life because I wouldn't feel comfortable selling a gram or two to the same people every week because of the chance they were fucking their head up. IRL I strictly stick to bulk and let other people worry about a guilty conscious.
Anyway, if you want help running number, or making a business plan or anything - I can give you a little when I have time :)
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If I could give you karma, I'd give you 10.
Thank you man, I'm always down to pick a brain. I have a friend from junior high who I just recently got back in touch with. As soon as he he hit grade 11 (he's now 22), he got into the Russian drug dealing ring here (his cousin was a top guy) and now he's a mid-level. So I asked him for some advice, which I appreciated. Hadn't talked to the guy since grade 9 and I think we hated each other back then.
Yeah... I need to find a consumer base.
Thank you sir
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If I could give you karma, I'd give you 10.
Thank you man, I'm always down to pick a brain. I have a friend from junior high who I just recently got back in touch with. As soon as he he hit grade 11 (he's now 22), he got into the Russian drug dealing ring here (his cousin was a top guy) and now he's a mid-level. So I asked him for some advice, which I appreciated. Hadn't talked to the guy since grade 9 and I think we hated each other back then.
Yeah... I need to find a consumer base.
Thank you sir
It's okay, man.
I had to learn the game inside out when I was younger by myself and it was hard, so I don't mind helping people out.
Just PM your questions and I'll answer the best I can.
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Ah! Much appreciated, Aurelius! I'll check it out right now ;D
And slick, i added you to my buddy list for later, just in case. thanks to everyone in this thread :D
more tips are welcome ;)
Edit: holy shit Aurelius.. you said "little" guide :P ty ty
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i sold a roll once :)
anyways you could forward that to me :)?
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I love you guys! <3
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Gunna lurk this thread too!
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I'm pretty much a noob starting out. Sounds like I'm a little more established than the OP but I would still love to see your guide Aurelius, even if its specific to his questions :D I want to be that person buying 100 grams at a time and selling bulk - how do you even buy that many bicoins?
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how to sell mdma
buy btc from a reputable vendor, like drgonzo
prob start with RCs unless you're dealing with people that are in the know. (Most aren't)
supply demand discipline
market it, sell yourself, charismatic. alert.
have an exit plan
the end
Why start with RC's? I think that would be a pretty big dick move even if they were not aware, I might make less money than scumbag joe but at least I am giving people what they want even if they wouldn't have known the difference otherwise.
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As others have said, find someone who will do all the low level dealing for you. When I started out I let friends know and let them know they can tell their friends who might be interested but didn't really push anyone about it. Ended up selling small amounts (1-50 capsules / 1-3 grams) to a few friends and then met a friend of a friend who I almost exclusively sell to now and he buys 2-3 oz a month. Through the same guy I'm now branching out now and will possibly be selling a QP - 1/2 lb of bud a week to someone he knows. Personally I make everyone I've sold through create a chain of people to limit my exposure so all the friends of friends who tried my mdma never have met me, nor will the guy buying a QP - 1/2lb of bud. This way rather than 50 people knowing that I deal only 5 will. Don't be afraid to go slow, you're better off making little/no money than being locked up.
Buy bulk, sell bulk.
Give a discount on bulk amounts, if you're selling in the US you should already have a fat profit margin.
Don't sell shit product, your reputation will carry you.
If you're out of product and won't be getting any for 2 weeks don't string your people along saying you'll have it every other day. That pisses people off.
Don't be a stranger to the game.
The federal mandatory 5 year sentence for mdma possession is 200 grams, stay under this.
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=53177.0#msg522023
hXXp://famm.org/federal/UnderstandingFederalSentencingLaws.aspx
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Good to know about the 200 gram mms. I've bought a few ounces but 100 is in my near future.
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As others have said, find someone who will do all the low level dealing for you. When I started out I let friends know and let them know they can tell their friends who might be interested but didn't really push anyone about it. Ended up selling small amounts (1-50 capsules / 1-3 grams) to a few friends and then met a friend of a friend who I almost exclusively sell to now and he buys 2-3 oz a month. Through the same guy I'm now branching out now and will possibly be selling a QP - 1/2 lb of bud a week to someone he knows. Personally I make everyone I've sold through create a chain of people to limit my exposure so all the friends of friends who tried my mdma never have met me, nor will the guy buying a QP - 1/2lb of bud. This way rather than 50 people knowing that I deal only 5 will. Don't be afraid to go slow, you're better off making little/no money than being locked up.
Buy bulk, sell bulk.
Give a discount on bulk amounts, if you're selling in the US you should already have a fat profit margin.
Don't sell shit product, your reputation will carry you.
If you're out of product and won't be getting any for 2 weeks don't string your people along saying you'll have it every other day. That pisses people off.
Don't be a stranger to the game.
The federal mandatory 5 year sentence for mdma possession is 200 grams, stay under this.
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=53177.0#msg522023
hXXp://famm.org/federal/UnderstandingFederalSentencingLaws.aspx
Only problem is, especially when working with friends of friends and so on (people who aren't super loyal to you) - if one of them is caught, they will likely snitch on you.
Best suggestion is to keep your name and face out of the game, and to pay someone who you know you can fully trust, a considerable amount of cash to do meets/bulk deals for you, and act like they are the people supplying.
You gotta' remember all it takes is for you to be seen with someone who the LE are watching once for them to start taking a closer look at you.
But, I agree - bulk dealing is the way to go. Way easier to shift one key, than it is 100 individual grams.
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That's the harder part to do though, isn't it? Not many people can start off dealing bulk like that haha. It's the build up that seems to be harder. Once you have a strong base from doing the smaller deals, you find the people who buy a lot for friends or use a lot for parties/raves, sell bulk to them and let them sell or use it however they want... I have the right idea?
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If you are going to handle bulk and larger quantities outside of your inner circle, seek out connects through the people you sell to or associate with. They all know dealers. But really, just go slow and stay within your circle. It doesn't really matter how many layers you create, once an investigation starts, they're going to get you. How much they can get you with if something goes wrong is up to you as long as you are meticulous. Networking is not hard - it only seems impossible or hard when you're doing it in your head, beforehand. But once you are ready to go, the word will get out and it will sell itself, trust me. The most important thing is knowing your limits and having an exit strategy because there are three ways out - dead, jail, or while you're ahead. Can you make it where others have failed? Sure. But the numbers don't really lie and we all think we're different.
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it's easy to get in way over your head. you need to have muscle (be in a gang or something) or you're just going to get jacked. save yourself and just don't start selling drugs.
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Step 1: Take GHB and go to parties, it makes you want to talk to strangers and usually your G energy will charm them, you will have all the friends you ever wanted. Step 2 offer them your super dank molly....
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Step 1: Take GHB and go to parties, it makes you want to talk to strangers and usually your G energy will charm them, you will have all the friends you ever wanted. Step 2 offer them your super dank molly....
Step 3: Get arrested or get your shit stolen.
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Avoid Step 3 by being responsible. People black out and get into trouble if they do too much of many drugs, like alcohol, or pain pills, but most users can safely moderate their intake.
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This is mainly a guide on dealing in general, but whatever.
People mainly take MDMA at EDM/Bass Music centric shows. Make friends (don't sell) at THESE places, and go from there. Once you've made the customer base you won't need to frequent these locations/scenes for drug related business, reducing risk dramatically. Be discrete and prove you have the best product (reagent tests, etc.) and you will be successful. Don't brag and let your reputation speak for itself.
Use a burner cell phone purchased and activated from a very different area code than the area you sell in, and change the entire phone itself (including the number AND area code) often. Remember to always use cash to buy the phones, and from different locations every single time. Only allow a few VERY close people access to that phone number, have them save the number as something inconspicuous in their cell phones, if they save it at all. Don't buy the phone if it requires ANY personal information. No text messaging to your burner phone, only calls, unless the text is completely non incriminating. No texting about meeting times or anything, the less texting the better. If you establish hours of operation texting becomes not necessary.
For your normal phone, NO more drug talk, AT ALL. If you're gonna deal you gotta be safe. Only allow people to buy form you through the people who you have trusted enough to given your burner phone number, and have THEM do it, have THEM middle man it so you NEVER have to meet a new customer without a lot of vouches from current, trusted customers.
To do this, you gotta stay on top of your shit, especially the phone. Customers hate unreliability, you gotta eliminate that.
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^exactly +1
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Honestly, ive never had a problem finding a customer base for when i decide to sell! ...
Most of my stock is sold before it arrives becaue thanks to SR my customers all know the quality is superb - so i do become their number one choice!
Other than that, people often when im out and about if i have anything to sell at raves.. i make a fair bit there, but i never carry more than 10 pills at a time when i go out..
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Yeah, I went out last saturday and took some stuff in with me. Got it in fine, even though they had a deep deep pat down. Place was crazy packed, and they had at least 30 security / police watching over the crowd, not to mention the 10 or so undercovers. Only sold to my friend who was in there with me but shit, was it hot.
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Good good call. There are some clubs that don't let you back out once you're in, unless you're leaving for the night. They're getting slightly smarter but yeah, seems like most of these places are meant for networking more-so than selling. which kinda sucks now.
Pisses me off, this girl that "really wants to try my stuff" recently told me she's scared to try it.. so fucking stupid . It's Xtc Express's grenades lol.
What tips do you guys have when spotting UCs? (MSG me if you want, instead of posting in front of LE's eye)
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God damn, you're a blessing man.
Yeah, his presses are definitely expensive compared to powder. I like the non messy fuss of it. But yeah, I have to sell nades (170-180mg) for $20 vs the brown sand (120mg) I have for 10$. There's slim to non profit on the pressed pills if they're sold at $10. Thankfully they sell themselves. One of my friends told me a blackberry (150mg-160mg) hit him like 0.5g of the shit he was getting before. $20 for 1 pill vs. $50 for half gram, still saving money. But yeah... if XTCExpress's powder is the same as what's in his pressed pills, I'll buy powder eventually.
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I tried Dutch for my very first order. didn't come in, but got 50% refund. I hated waiting so long. I was sending it to a friends mailbox and i asked him every day if he got it or not lol.
Plus dutch and AH both don't have listings up yet. mia :\
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can anyone give me an idea of what a common "street" price for 1 gram of MDMA is in the USA?
like, what is a more common price for users: 80 or 100? or are people selling for 120 at the consumer level? i've been supplying some caps to my friend to sell to his friend, but now that he's ordering 20 at a time i'd like to just try to sell him the raw crystal. but i need to figure out what my boy should be selling it to him for so all three parties will be happy.
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can anyone give me an idea of what a common "street" price for 1 gram of MDMA is in the USA?
like, what is a more common price for users: 80 or 100? or are people selling for 120 at the consumer level? i've been supplying some caps to my friend to sell to his friend, but now that he's ordering 20 at a time i'd like to just try to sell him the raw crystal. but i need to figure out what my boy should be selling it to him for so all three parties will be happy.
I sell 60 a gram for 1-2g or 55 for 3g+ then my guy resells them for $80. I think $80 is most common.
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Yup! Around here (Somewhere in Canada), street price is about $10 a cap (which is what I push brown sand for). Only diference is the $10 shit you find on the street is usually buffed with something else, because the dealers here are in it for the money. I'm not. Well I kinda do it for the money too, but I want people to experience what REAL molly is. I put a little less in the cap, but it has people coming back, especially for $10 a roll. I charge $20 for the grenades, but I don't mention it unless they've bought the brown sand from me before. I've always had a nice long lasting high from the xtc express nades, so if they feel the brown sand doesn't last long enough (quite a few have told me this) then I offer them the nades. I tell them wait a week between rolls, then it'll be a better high and it'll last about 3-4 hours solid. A gram of the cut stuff, about $60-$70 from what my friend was telling me before he started buying off me. If i wanted to, I could sell per gram, but i don't. I know the quality of what's out there on the street and I know what I have. $10 for brown sand is discount enough, I feel.
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Yup! Around here (Somewhere in Canada), street price is about $10 a cap (which is what I push brown sand for). Only diference is the $10 shit you find on the street is usually buffed with something else, because the dealers here are in it for the money. I'm not. Well I kinda do it for the money too, but I want people to experience what REAL molly is. I put a little less in the cap, but it has people coming back, especially for $10 a roll. I charge $20 for the grenades, but I don't mention it unless they've bought the brown sand from me before. I've always had a nice long lasting high from the xtc express nades, so if they feel the brown sand doesn't last long enough (quite a few have told me this) then I offer them the nades. I tell them wait a week between rolls, then it'll be a better high and it'll last about 3-4 hours solid. A gram of the cut stuff, about $60-$70 from what my friend was telling me before he started buying off me. If i wanted to, I could sell per gram, but i don't. I know the quality of what's out there on the street and I know what I have. $10 for brown sand is discount enough, I feel.
how much do you put in each cap?
also, does this stuff from MarijuanaIsMyMuse ( silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/item/0377af8950 ) look like the sand you're moving up there in the great white north?
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I put about 120-130mg in each.
It's funny; I was talking to one of my russian mid-level friends and he was telling me how he has killer mdma and what not. So I gave him a 120mg sample of my stash and asked him to get one of his guys to try it. A couple days later , he comes back to me and says his guy said it was "alright" / nothing special. I was kinda confused, because this is LL's stuff, it's rock solid mdma, how the fuck is he getting his hands on something way better? A week later, I ask him how much he puts in his caps and he's throwing 300mg of shit in there. No wonder why his guy thought it was "okay", my shit had less than half the dose lol.
Yeah I've seen MIMM's stuff. Looks similar but unless he buys from Lucianno and resells in smaller amounts, I'd assume it's different.
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Molly is definitely one of the highest money makers for resellers IRL. The cost/ gain ratio is ridiculous! Thank goodness for SR, lives have definitely been changed for the business minded people of the road.
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Definitely. Gotta thank the community and SR for this!
So I went to see a few artists perform at a rave and I had sold almost 20 caps/pills. didn't take any in but friends of friends kept asking for more. didn't have any and could leave and come back because there's no reentry allowed. but damn, the ball is slowly starting to roll. I just did a 29 cap deal , biggest one i've had so far, and i have a few of my friends who've given their friends some of the stuff they bought. It's amazing. Now I just give it to my friends once they have the money and they take it to their friends. ALL is good :D
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@Uknown79
You actually give me hope! lol
What you did sounds perfect actually. $60/gram here would be a steal too. I'll sell what I can from whatever I have left and start off small again. Who do you order from, if you don't mind me asking. I like xtc express's pressed but his powder gets odd reviews. How were you selling the 10grams? per gram or each individual cap? I like the way you ran your business.
@Slicksuit
Yeah, I realized that afterwards. But also, I asked around and I do know about 20 or so people who do pop, but they don't do it on a constant basis, which is the only problem when it comes to moving product. Of course, I know a lot more people who smoke weed, almost everyone I know does, but I feel like weed would be riskier. Takes up more space, smells, I don't smoke weed myself so I'm not sure what the prices and what not are. Kinda sucks.
When I started off, I didn't even have caps so if people wanted 1 dose I just weighed it out and put it in a small baggie. More often than not, people wanted between .5-1 gram at a time. I loathe capping product out, and now only do so for very close friends. If I do make them up, I put about ~130mg in for $10. At this dose, a lot of the time people have who have "rolled" (likely off bunk or bk-mdma) many times but never taken MDMA are floored by the drug. "Too intense" is one of the comments I've heard, especially from smaller girls. I would guess that less than 40% of people "rolling" in a club in my area have never had MDMA.
Don't get into beans/pills/rolls/ecstasy. The profit on them is no better than caps, and a lot of people nowadays are sketched out by beans..Everyone wants that molly that makes them sweatin'.
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Definitely. Gotta thank the community and SR for this!
So I went to see a few artists perform at a rave and I had sold almost 20 caps/pills. didn't take any in but friends of friends kept asking for more. didn't have any and could leave and come back because there's no reentry allowed. but damn, the ball is slowly starting to roll. I just did a 29 cap deal , biggest one i've had so far, and i have a few of my friends who've given their friends some of the stuff they bought. It's amazing. Now I just give it to my friends once they have the money and they take it to their friends. ALL is good :D
Your asking for trouble, try get your friends to not give away your identity to their friends just tell them that if their friends want, then you know someone who can get. All it takes is for one person get caught and your fucked, mate. Please be careful.